i know i was tough, the biggest deal. the fiscal cliff killed us. retailers went deep on profession and they said, no. i thrill city nyse's will be bert. >> do you think it's getting better in 2013, bert? >> 2013 starts the retail ice age and maybe the 500 to 1,000-day retail recession. shopping centers, malls-based, starting to refinance some of them will create record vak kiss on the laws. >> which stocks specifically are going to suffer in home depot, radio shack, possibly shorts authority, some of the other office supply category killer stores. >> let me go in mr. glass half hull. anybody coming through had. as mentioned referenced so well. you also have you are even outfitters tutting it on ol centr retailers who have not reinvested back in the business are secularly having the shoppers shift away from them. they are going to have a tougher time. >> i think it's too late to save herb greenberg's bet with brian sullivan for this year, but you were on our show just recently, and you've turned positive for j.c. penney. >> i was a lot more positive